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Art Love
7/8/2007 5:19 AM
This switch on the front of the throttle body is out of production. Tom Hanson tells me that although 300's 280's etc have one of these, the one on the M-100 engine is unique to that engine. One of the seals that goes between it and the throttle body is also nil stock. This is a critical item. I presume Bosch made them originally but don't know for sure. Tom has pushed the factory to remanufacture it. How many of us would be prepared to preorder a couple to support Tom, or should we try to get a remanufacture through our store using a similar preorder principle. The club does not have the funds to pay for a lot up front. What do others think?
Art
james lawson
7/8/2007 10:04 AM
Sign me up

jim
FEMA
7/8/2007 11:14 AM
Art - I don't know exactly what this is or what it looks like so I'd like to understand that and if its critcal as you say I am interested as well. Any idea on cost? Could we have it done at a machine shop?

Francis E. Abate
Art Love
7/8/2007 8:35 PM
Francis, it is the black electric switch on the front of the throttle body with the 2 wires connected to it. The throttle body is the alloy box with the air control flap in it at the front end of the right hand inlet manifold that the large rubber snorkel from the air cleaner attaches to. It is bakelite or similar. It is not the sort of thing a machine shop could make. We would be dependent on a firm like Bosch to have them made, hence my suggesting we support Tom Hanson. I put the post here for the sake of putting it somewhere, rather than thinking we could have it made ourselves. If we have sufficient interest, the Shop could act as a liason with the Classic Center on behalf of all members in preference to individual members approaching M-B. A MBCCCI Club approach is more likely to get somewhere.

These switches are on all the fuel injected cars from the 1960's. What I don't know is what is the difference between the one on the 280SE (many thousands of these!), the 300SE and the 6.3. If they were the same, we could enlist the aid of the Pagoda group etc. Does anyone know what the difference is? Externally they look the same. Tom tells me the 6.3 switch is unique.
Art



FEMA
7/8/2007 10:12 PM
OK, so we need takers right - who's out there?

In the meantime Art, should we ask Tom what a minimum run would cost, assuming they have a minmum.

Francis E. Abate
Dan Smith
7/8/2007 10:21 PM
Any fan that thinks of his or her position as a long term 600 or 6.3 driver should have a couple rat holed. Thanks to Ron, I found two new examples but have since needed both. We could or should be taking orders to make hundreds. 10 for me Francis.
Jack English
7/9/2007 1:01 AM
I probably should have at least one. I may need it now.

Jack English
300SEL 6.3 #4768
Ron B
7/9/2007 6:16 AM
The ones Dan refers too were sourced from Millers.I am damned sure they are all the same although Millers sells them to use on pagodas.if there is a difference,what is it specifically?

...There are old cars,and then there are Classics..(Mercedes Benz Ad. 1999)
Ron B
7/9/2007 6:27 AM
Heres a page from Millers catalogue.'Our part is #07=2060
Art Love
7/9/2007 7:23 AM
Ron,
I don't know what the difference is and I don't have parts catalogues for the 300SE, 250SE or 280SE engines to see what the part number is for those engines. Part numbers for the M-100 are 000 545 34 04 for the switch, 000 141 00 80 for the gasket, 006503 008200 for the radial seal ring and 000 997 71 40 for the O Ring. I shall ask Tom Hanson what the difference is if no one else on this board can answer the question. Surely someone knows.
Art
benzman70
7/9/2007 7:35 AM
the switch for the 6.3 is part number 000 545 34 04 , the 6 cyl cars use part number 000 545 33 04. the difference is that they mount on opposite sides making their operation backwards from each other. if you mount a 6 cyl switch on the 6.3 engine, the throttle will barely open since the switch is designed to work in the opposite direction.

gary ensor
Art Love
7/9/2007 7:49 AM
Thank you Gary. So we need more orders so I can get back to Tom and give him some ammunition for his pressure on Germany.
Art
benzman70
7/9/2007 8:50 AM
Art,
I would take about four of the switches to keep in my parts stock, thanks.......

gary ensor
John Sutter
7/9/2007 9:22 AM
I'll take two.
bwostosh
7/9/2007 4:59 PM
Are there some broken assemblies which I could disassemble?
I could make any part inside those or the body itself.
CAD model to a SLA machine for tooling.
Are the brass pieces worn?
I imagine that they just need cleaning,

Getting back to the computer from a nice trip to Baja.


Brian O.
Art Love
7/9/2007 7:05 PM
Dan Smith,
Have you got one of your "failed" ones that you could send to Brian? Not one of the ones from Miller's in case it is the wrong one.

Let's keep the orders coming in and see if Tom Hanson can get them remanufactured while Brian has a look at it from his point of view.
Art
abl567
7/10/2007 12:39 AM
2 for me please

6.3 #2723, my first classic Benz
jmperkins7734
7/10/2007 7:20 PM
2 for me (6.9)
Art Love
7/11/2007 4:31 AM
Jim,
As far as I know, the 6.9 does not use this switch, do you have a 600 or 6.3 as well?
Art
Chris Dvorak
7/11/2007 3:27 PM
I am sure Art can count but I come up with 20 if Dan was serious about 10. If he is I'll take at least one.

Total 21.


Chris
1971 Mercedes 600
1992 Mercedes 400E
1993 Mercedes 400E
1985 Porsche 911
1997 Toyota Landcruiser
2004 Porsche 911 GT3
Art Love
7/12/2007 5:24 AM
Of course, Justin and I will buy at least a couple each so that is 25. I'll persue it further with Tom.
Art
JohnOlson
7/29/2007 11:15 AM
Count me in for one now. Probably another when I know the price.

Incidently we are finally starting to get ahead of previous years balances in the club's treasury thanks to the higher due and the last two LODE FEST conventions being self-sufficient... [more on this soon] so the club can began considering how any dollars should be used for club store.

As treasurer I invite budget proposals for 2008 from the store committee/leaders for consideration by the board (and from other members for other purposes). Money doesn't go very far these days so it is likely to remain preferable to find firm advance commitments such as this water pump part, that can be rolled over to the Classic Center without any capital outlay by the club.

The club currently owns over $2,000 of M-100 clothing, badges, etc. that has previously mostly been displayed and sold at conventions. Maybe that can be among the tests of club store inventory management? In addition to the Internet a page or more in each LODE STAR might also get a quick nod from the board.

John Olson
Jack English
7/29/2007 2:50 PM
Is there a place on the forum to view the items in the club inventory and the prices?

Jack English
300SEL 6.3 #4768
FEMA
7/30/2007 6:49 PM
Jack - I am looking into utilizing a Yahoo web store for this purpose - Gerrett can make it look like it's really part of our site. I have not really started to formulate this but am just looking at the Yahoo process now as I type!

I keep meaning to ask you, and I know I asked a while ago - could you get me the name (again[;)]) of the gentlem from CA we met last year driving the light blue 6.3? He had nice M100 license plate frames made and very much wans us to promote them - it was very nice.

Francis E. Abate
Jack English
7/31/2007 1:41 AM
Francis, I will look in the file for his name. You may recall, that car had been in the family since new. I believe his wife's brother had bought it new. Faded paint but all original. A great car. I'll send you his name.

Jack English
300SEL 6.3 #4768
Chris Dvorak
8/7/2007 5:31 PM
We are of topic but here is what the store has to offer.

M-100 Store Catalog

Shirts $35

Badges $25

Jackets $65

Keychain $10



Chris
1971 Mercedes 600
1992 Mercedes 400E
1993 Mercedes 400E
1985 Porsche 911
1997 Toyota Landcruiser
2004 Porsche 911 GT3
Dan Smith
8/7/2007 7:36 PM
quote:
Originally posted by FEMA

Jack - I am looking into utilizing a Yahoo web store for this purpose - Gerrett can make it look like it's really part of our site. I have not really started to formulate this but am just looking at the Yahoo process now as I type!

I keep meaning to ask you, and I know I asked a while ago - could you get me the name (again[;)]) of the gentlem from CA we met last year driving the light blue 6.3? He had nice M100 license plate frames made and very much wans us to promote them - it was very nice.

Francis E. Abate Francis, that would be Bob Wilson located at 401 West Gibson Road, Woodland, Ca, 95695
Art, Larry keeps my extras if we think we can rebuild it. In this case, no, we tossed them and have for years. Why not save them? We were buying them new. Who would have thought that this part, one of the most critcal parts on a 6.3, would no longer be made. What I didn't realize was that we bought the world's supply. That thanks to Ron who posted the part number. Yes, I want ten. Everyone, EVERYONE should have two new examples at all times. If you have two 6.3s, you need four. Without this, you drive a three speed. LOL, but no joke. That's the whole deal, isn't it?

Dan Smith
8/7/2007 7:43 PM
Brian, I could take another off a parts car. Want one, I THINK I have one virgin parts car remaining in the barn. It should be there. So far everyone we have removed had failed under the ownership of the previous owner. What a joke. That fellow was driving a three speed. No wonder they gave zero respect to this noble model. 6.3 "Econ Theory an Chain of Ownership", pops up again.
Art Love
8/8/2007 4:33 AM
To update, I have had no word back from Tom on this matter yet. He said in his last e.mail that the problem with these parts is usually not M-B not being willing to remanufacture them but their finding someone who will do it. I'll keep you all posted.
Art
6.3Nut
2/2/2019 10:21 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Dvorak

I am sure Art can count but I come up with 20 if Dan was serious about 10. If he is I'll take at least one.

Total 21.


Chris
1971 Mercedes 600
1992 Mercedes 400E
1993 Mercedes 400E
1985 Porsche 911
1997 Toyota Landcruiser
2004 Porsche 911 GT3


006503 008200 - Still available, looking for one or two?

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